After seeing several ads for Polyspan, I decided to order a roll and try it out. I also ordered some of the analine dye that Sal Fruciano (owner of Starline) sells. So far, I only used the Polyspan on a 1/2a Country Boy free flight and the results are as follows: The first thing to know is that this is a polyester material and impervious to water so don't try to shrink it with water. The Nitrate dope will shrink if fine and any wrinkles left can be taken out with a MonoKote iron. I started on the stab first and proceeded to follow the brief instructions which came with the product. He recommends pre-doping the frame outlines in the usual method used for Japanese tissue or silkspan which is two coats of Nitrate Dope. I then cut out the Polyspan 1" larger than the outline of the stab and doped it with Nitrate Dope thinned 50% through the material. So far everything went well and the material went on easier than Japanese tissue. Naturally you try to put it on by getting it reasonably wrinkle-free. Then I cut the material flush with the framework with a NEW double edge razor blade. So far so good. I then applied the Polyspan on the top in the same manner and trimmed it leaving the usual 1/8" for overlapping. Then came the problem. The material does not want to be rolled over the edges in the usual doping down method. It kept trying to straighten out the overlap and no matter how hard I tried, it would not roll over. I called Sal Fruciano and asked him for a remedy to the problem and he said that using a Monokote iron to crease the material should help. Well, he was right and the following was the method which worked great for me. Before putting the dope on the edges to be rolled over, I used the Monokote iron and creased the edge as Sal suggested. Then I put the Nitrate Dope under the overlap and rolled it over with my fingers in the usual fashion. It will still try to come up and by running my fingers around the edges until the dope is almost dry to the touch, I then took the MonoKote iron set at about 325 degrees and rolled over the edges to stutter when I use the "M" word. That is because as many know I am a religious silk and dope man. The next step was to brush some of the analine dyed Nitrate Dope on the bottom of the stab. It was difficult for me to believe that you could get the wrinkles out and make the covering tight with just putting the dope on. Well I can tell you that it tightened up great but I did not like the way the color came out on the bottom or the top. It was streaky and I did use a foam brush. Then I noticed that the top looked like the Chia-Pet that is advertised on television as it seemed to sprout fuzz and hair on the top. I wondered why this did not happen on the bottom and finally realized: IMPORTANT: There is an inside and outside to the covering. There is one side to the covering that is more glossy than the other and you MUST put the glossy side on the outside. On the roll that I used, the glossy side was on the inside of the roll and when placing a cut piece on the bench it would try to curl the edges up with the glossy side facing up. I removed the top covering from the stab and put another piece on with the glossy side up. As I said before, I was not satisfied with the orange tinted dope finish which I had brushed in my usual fashion with a foam brush as it looked streaky and mottled. The answer was to spray the dyed dope on. This would not be necessary if you left the material white, which is the only way it is available. Don Reid, after seeing my Country Boy at the GGG decided to try Polyspan and then called me to say he had recovered his house including his wife, Cynthia. Obviously he was impressed with the Polyspan. One of the members of our SAM 75 chapter, John Sullivan asked me for a piece of the Polyspan so he could experiment with the dying process and at our next meeting, he had produced the following results: He felt the best way to dye the material was to use a powdered analine dye. You also may buy the liquid dye 10 parts of nitrate dope to 1 part of dye, however I found that with the orange dye, a 20 to 1 ratio worked great. John says to mix a 2 oz jar of the powdered dye with one quart of methyl alcohol (methanol) and spray it on the material before covering the model, otherwise the dye will also color the rest of the wood of the frame work. You can also use the dye, both powder and liquid in nitrate thinner and spray this on Polyspan before covering the plane. If you use the powdered dye, be sure to use cheese cloth to filter the dyed thinner after mixing it thoroughly. Because this plane had to be fuel proof as I use 40% nitro fuel in my Cox TD .049/.051, I continued with my customary finishing technique of spraying K&B Super Poxy over the two coats of nitrate dope. The fuselage came out fine, but the wing was a disaster. The Super Poxy would not fill the pores I the Polyspan on the bottom. I decided to spray one coat of butyrate dope on the top of the wing to fuel proof it. I assume that if I applied several more coats of the nitrate dope to really seal the Polyspan, the Super Poxy would have worked well. I can tell you that this is a great covering material and I expect that on the next plane I use it on will work well with the techniques I learned on this plane. It really gives tremendous strength to the framework, probably as much as silk does and it surely is a great improvement in strength and puncture resistance over Japanese tissue and silkspan even though it is a little heavier. |
Larry seen here with his Polyspan covered Pacer and the designer, Sal Taibi
And also from Don Typond
(Reprinted from Flying Models, December 1994)
Wouldn't it be nice if there were a covering material that's strong and stable and just about puncture-proof, and not any heavier that what's being used now?
Polyspan, a modern covering for traditionalists. Looking very much like the more transparent silkspan of 30-plus years ago. Polyspan is made of non-woven polyester fibers randomly intertwined, but with a definite grain running lengthwise along the sheet. It isn't as stiff as silkspan or tissue, but rather feels "floppier" and is soft and silky to the touch. Like silkspan and tissue, Polyspan is porous, and needs to be filled with dope. It's perhaps best described as a "paper" made with polyester fibers instead of wood fibers. But unlike paper, Polyspan is waterproof and doesn't absorb moisture. Which means it won't sag and change the airplane's trim on those dewy early morning flights or rainy day flying sessions. And it is tough! Trying to tear it across the grain takes more force than you'll ever put on a model in normal use. It does tear more easily with the grain, but is still much stronger than silkspan, and probably even stronger than silk. Let's put it this way; if you dropped a quarter on it from two fee up, it'd bounce off. Yes, sharp objects will puncture it, but the polyester fibers will resist the puncture growing into a tear. Polyspan is made in Germany, and imported by Sal Fruciano. A roll measures 12 feet by 20 inches, and sells for $15.00. Polyspan is available only in white, but can be colored by mixing dye into clear dope and spraying it on. (The old method of dyeing in colored water before covering doesn't work because Polyspan is waterproof.) Starline by FAI Model Supply sells 2 oz. concentrate dyes in red, yellow, blue, orange and black, at $5.50 per-ounce bottle, which will dye a lot of dope at the recommended one-to-ten ratio. Polyspan can also be painted with opaque dope, of course, or with other compatible paints once it's been sealed with a few coats of nitrate dope. Okay, how heavy is it? I weighed one-square-foot samples on my balance scale (which I'm sure is accurate, but even if not produces usable relative weight comparisons). Polyspan weighs 2.25 grams per square foot, Japanese tissue ("Esaki" white, from Oldtimer Model Supply) weighs 1.125 grams per square foot. Thus, Polyspan is twice the weight of silkspan, and slightly more than twice the weight of Japanese tissue. But raw weight doesn't mean much since these coverings require dope to seal them, and Polyspan is said to need only two coats of 50-50 thinned nitrate to fill it. So I made a 12 x 12-inch balsa frame, and doped the Polyspan to it. Then I thinned Sig nitrate clear dope 50-50 by volume could result in a more full-bodied material, requiring fewer coats.) Two coats began to produce a gloss, and filled most of the grain, but there were still a few small pinholes that could be seen when I held the panel up to the light. It took five coats to completely fill all the pinholes, and by then the surface had become attractively glossy. Obviously, applying many coats to the entire surface just in order to fill the pinholes is overkill, and were I covering a glider or rubber-powered model I would consider two or three coats sufficient (maybe dabbing a little more on the pinholes), especially since the dope isn't needed to make the covering moisture proof. I then removed the Polyspan from the frame and replaced it with a sheet of silkspan. Painting silkspan is like painting a blotter, and the first couple of costs used a lot of dope as it soaked in. By the time the silkspan was sealed and the surface no longer fuzzy, I had applied six coats. Lastly, I repeated the procedure with a panel of tissue, which required three coats to fully seal it. After allowing 48 hours drying time, I weighed each panel. The Polyspan weighed 3.6 grams, the silkspan also weighed 3.6 grams, and the tissue weighed 1.8 grams. In short, Polyspan ends up having the same finished weight as silkspan, but with much more strength, moisture resistance, and longevity. Yes, it's twice the weight of Japanese tissue, which is still my choice for small, light rubber models, but Polyspan is perfect for larger, heavier freeflight, control line, and R/C models. |
Dumb luck or bad fuse? Unfortunately, it was probably the latter because next time, the thermals decided to play for keeps. We watched it fly away in relatively calm conditions. I was the last to lose sight of it at 37 minutes. We then pursued by car. For nearly two more hours we tracked it 5 miles to the east, 3 miles south and then another 8-9 miles back west. It was apparent that the model was still airborne but was not in sight and it's anyone's guess how high it went. (I've hit large bugs in a jet >30,000 ft up and I know they didn't get up that high themselves.) 
Hi Tom and Bucky,
I went to Shelby late yesterday expecting the model to be down but it wasn't. It's hung up on the nose and on the tail end and neither will let go despite winds of 18 mph. I sat and just looked at it in the woods from 5:00 pm to 6:30 and then went in town for dinner and then checked again at 8:00 pm. It just sways with the branches in the wind. It's probably going to need a really strong gust. There's no strong winds in the forecast so I'm not going back up again until I get back from Lost Hills a week from Tuesday. Incidentally, the stab is DTed now.
At first, when I went in the woods, I couldn't find it in the branches nor anywhere else so went I back to the car and got the tracker and again spotted it in the same old place. It didn't rain up there but it's expected this evening. More fun!
Gil
June 7th Update
Hi Tom and Bucky,
Got it!!
Fuselage and stab were directly below where it had been but the wing was hidden in the undergrowth about 80 ft away. I had almost given up looking for it because of the mosquitoes. As I was about to pull away, the woods owner dropped by wanting to know why we had been going into his woods. He understood and was a bit surprised after I explained. He took it well but I didn't tell him the next step, had there been one, would have been the chain saw. Minimal damage. Transmitter good as new (batteries dead), engine okay but wing and stab waterlogged. I'm not sure it didn't come down before the big storm. All rubber bands were broken and even the fuel line rubber was badly deteriorated and I'll bet the wing rubber bands broke before the storm. The fuse had burned out in the core and never got to the RB. Anyways, all's well that ends well.
Gil
